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Post by TiaMariaa on Sept 24, 2012 6:48:56 GMT -5
I've seen we lost quite few members over the last week.Even few recruits that made an effort to apply on forums/ trials etc.If this going to be a 'trend' we must do some changes to avoid w/e the reason is for this happening.
~Maria
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Chem
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Post by Chem on Sept 24, 2012 9:56:53 GMT -5
Krhm Ed krhm.....
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Post by worldgorger on Sept 24, 2012 10:57:50 GMT -5
i personally think its just newer members dont understand some members humor and take whats said personally :s
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Post by Traaavis on Sept 24, 2012 12:56:01 GMT -5
What I'm about to say is just speculation. I'm not trying to call out anyone in particular (except Ed in one part, sorry), but they're just some theories about why new members may not be staying around.
1. We're so used to DGing with current members/ranks that we may unintentionally ignore new members to DG with our friends. Not that we're excluding new people, it's just that maybe we're not looking to do floors with new members to help them improve and get known in our community.
2. Lots of people still do floors with randoms in w114. I'm not sure why people join 3bo if they're not going to advertise in the CC for their floors, but maybe they have a leech or friends outside of the clan and don't think that's accepted. IDK.
3. On the topic of leeches, a lot of CC members are part of Leech FCs. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but sometimes I find that people want to do their leech floors instead of CC dungeons, and non-FC ranks don't want to join since they won't get paid. Doesn't really bother me, but it could deter new people from sticking around if they think we just do non-CC leech floors.
4. I think as Admins+ we need to do something to try and get more involved with the 1-,2-,3-stripe ranks to not only help them improve, but also let them feel more welcome. Some people may not be interested in improving their ranks, but the least we can do if they want to DG is help them improve so they can have more fun :> And even if someone messes up big time in a floor, it helps to kindly point out the mistake instead of getting really upset.
5. Trolling. Some people find it hilarious, but I'm going to have to agree with Chem that Ed does an overly-acceptable amount of trolling of other CC members. I already spoke to Farotto about it once because it was getting out of hand. It's not fair to just single out Ed, though - people joke around all the time and sometimes it may go too far for new recruits to want to deal with. It's just different styles of humor like Caleb said. It's just nice (imo) to keep a positive CC environment, even with a little playful trolling.
That's all I can think of for now. I know I'm guilty of not joining low-rank floors when I'm waiting for friends to log in, and I can improve on that, but on the other hand there's not much to do when we advertise DG+2 and no one takes the bait :\
Any comments on all that crap I just posted would be more than welcome so we can all be on the same page regarding opinions on the matter. Hope we can fix it as a team because 3bo is da bestest wooo~
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Post by TiaMariaa on Sept 24, 2012 13:49:18 GMT -5
Yes, I also think we need to do more to include new members of the clan.Was hoping the trials could help them get to know older members of the clan faster.Any ideas how we can get better?
Ed's 'trolling' been an issue for long time.I'm not sure how much more of it I'm willing to accept.
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Post by TiaMariaa on Sept 24, 2012 14:13:26 GMT -5
Who gives Ed insight of admin+ threads?
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Post by Traaavis on Sept 24, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -5
This wouldn't affect everyone, but if we have low-rank people interested in improving or becoming more familiar with older members (hopefully we'd have a lot), we could host "tutorial" floors with like 1-2 admins and the rest low ranks. Maybe have people sign up on the forums if it's planned in advance, or get whoever's interested in the CC at any time. We can give feedback during the floor for macro and micro stuff, and try to explain why more experienced DGers make certain decisions. Floor length could be targeted at like 15-20 minutes so people will take it slow and hopefully accept criticism and better understand what's going on in others' heads.
Maybe for rank upgrades we could add more trials -- not for proficiency, but for experience with the CC. Perhaps in addition to a trial from an overseer+ for the rank, we could require applicants to post screens of 3-5 floors with 3 different admins/mavens/keyers/carriers participating (more than one allowed in each floor, though, otherwise that would be a lot of extra screens). For those who don't regularly DG with the clan but want to show their skill with a rank, this would help integrate them into the CC, plus give diverse floors with a bunch of different people participating.
Like I said before, it wouldn't really affect everyone, but it could promote more CC-based DGing.
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Post by Snipercover on Sept 24, 2012 14:36:13 GMT -5
Hmm.. Good point Travis. I had a trial with a new recruit and Burstz. The recruit was 2 floors 'attacker' and 2 floors keyer. And we gave feedback during and after the floor. I think it went well. 2 admins in a floor as tutors.
We get a first impression of our new recruits, but they are still 'newbies' for the older clanmembers. And when you're in the CC, there are always the same people who are talking/trolling. Maybe its hard for the new members to join the conversations? And they feel like outsiders in the clan?
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Post by Farotto on Sept 24, 2012 15:05:26 GMT -5
It's definitely the trolling and even admins do sometimes, that has to stop.
Idk for sure how but something must be done about overall trolling and especially trolling guests.
I feel I try to make all new members welcome and I wish more admins to get involved in this.
Also no 3bo member should ever be denied from a team hosted in clan chat.
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Post by Farotto on Sept 24, 2012 15:15:13 GMT -5
Hmm.. Good point Travis. I had a trial with a new recruit and Burstz. The recruit was 2 floors 'attacker' and 2 floors keyer. And we gave feedback during and after the floor. I think it went well. 2 admins in a floor as tutors. We get a first impression of our new recruits, but they are still 'newbies' for the older clanmembers. And when you're in the CC, there are always the same people who are talking/trolling. Maybe its hard for the new members to join the conversations? And they feel like outsiders in the clan? Just expanding on this post. I have never been in a trial floor for new members without at least 1 other admin. And the trial floor I feel is important , if admins could add new recruits even try to make friends with them or make them feel welcome anyway they can. Also your second point is true its many of the same people talking taking up entire chat for them self or trolling. It's clear we need a more dg orientated and friendly environment. The problem is making this happen and stopping trolling.
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morp
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Post by morp on Sept 24, 2012 16:49:17 GMT -5
KICK ED
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Post by 3bo admin on Sept 25, 2012 0:31:14 GMT -5
I think the biggest obstacle preventing people from joining the clan is because we have seemingly little to offer.
Most people in 3bo do not Dungeoneer actively. And, the ones that do tend to be exclusive- whether intentionally or not.
What we need to do is offer incentives for people to stay in the clan. For example: give detailed and specific feedback on trials and do not make ranks too easy. If ranks are too easy, many people will achieve the top rank before they even immerse themselves in our clan culture.
The trolling is an issue of debatable extent. The problem with disciplinary action is that, for the most part, none of us are shrewd leaders like that of DGS, and we empathize with these players because we've known them for years. Regardless, there's going to have to be some action, and soon. I think Farotto is already on top of this.
In order to combat this I propose revamping the Dung Improvement Program, but let's call it something else, something more awesome :>
The objectives of the Dung Improvement Program will be twofold. Firstly, it will promote clan activity, giving mentors constant purpose to do floors. And secondly, and this touches on what I mentioned earlier, it will involve the player. We want players involved and active in the clan. Once they get involved, we find that most people generally like us!
As staff, I expect each and every one of you to be congenial and respectful to all members of the clan. When you're dealing with trolling, don't throw around threats or insults- simply tell me, Faroto, Maria, Sniper, or Akram, and we'll deal with it. We have both the powers willingness to do so.
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suguru
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Post by suguru on Sept 25, 2012 6:16:56 GMT -5
I think the biggest obstacle preventing people from joining the clan is because we have seemingly little to offer. Most people in 3bo do not Dungeoneer actively. And, the ones that do tend to be exclusive- whether intentionally or not. What we need to do is offer incentives for people to stay in the clan. For example: give detailed and specific feedback on trials and do not make ranks too easy. If ranks are too easy, many people will achieve the top rank before they even immerse themselves in our clan culture. The trolling is an issue of debatable extent. The problem with disciplinary action is that, for the most part, none of us are shrewd leaders like that of DGS, and we empathize with these players because we've known them for years. Regardless, there's going to have to be some action, and soon. I think Farotto is already on top of this. In order to combat this I propose revamping the Dung Improvement Program, but let's call it something else, something more awesome :> The objectives of the Dung Improvement Program will be twofold. Firstly, it will promote clan activity, giving mentors constant purpose to do floors. And secondly, and this touches on what I mentioned earlier, it will involve the player. We want players involved and active in the clan. Once they get involved, we find that most people generally like us! As staff, I expect each and every one of you to be congenial and respectful to all members of the clan. When you're dealing with trolling, don't throw around threats or insults- simply tell me, Faroto, Maria, Sniper, or Akram, and we'll deal with it. We have both the powers willingness to do so. With respect to active dungeoneering and the recently brought up "admin exclusivity". If I dg I invite the people who show up first regardless of personal preference, since I its more important to mediate dungeoneering activity than to go for times. It's important to help members(who are willing) improve their macro and micro errors. I think a couple good examples of improvement are snuffy and alan. Alan joined with under 100 dungeoneering and considering the handicap he has with low total and being fairly new to dungeoneering he's actually coming along quite well. The best way promote natural growth in dg activity in my opinion is to start developing more active dgers among our current ranks. We also need to spark more interest in keying, even though I've already been approached by a few people(I will respond to these requests as well). If you spend your time dging in the clan performing more of a "support" role(using these terms loosely), and not really working on map awareness and learning how paths work you probably wont have any incentive to start hosting your own floors. Then again, that isn't of paramount concern when the goal is exp. With regards to trolling we have a dangerous mix of playful trolling and aggressive verbal abuse in the cc at the moment. The tone of the chat makes a definitive switch once(I hate to name names) ed and alec start going at it. there are other examples of little feuds that are apparent but everyone is already aware of those. edit: I forgot to talk about trials for rank. As kevin mentioned the ranks have to retain some level of prestige so the trials should contain detailed feedback and the expectations should be fairly high.
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Post by TiaMariaa on Sept 25, 2012 8:47:09 GMT -5
When the trolling is costing us new recruits that made efforts on applyng and doing trials its simply not worth the price of certain people's 'fun'.I will make last warning posting in pm here on forums when a ban need to be done,on behalf of me and the coowners.
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Post by Farotto on Sept 25, 2012 8:48:12 GMT -5
agree ^
maria#1:>
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